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Lately, our policies are kind of falling behind and are not really even being enforced (Such as the signature policy, voting policy, etc.), and some policies are completely obsolete but are still in place (such as the CPW and CPFW relations treaty). The reason policies are not being enforced well is mainly because our policies are all outdated policies which meet 2009 standards (when the majority of them were created). I think we need to form a "Policy Making Council" which will consist of the current admins. Current B-crats will hold a veto power (if a crat decides to veto, the council proposal would be abolished), while regular administrators will not have veto abilities, however they are permanent members as long as they are an administrators. Alongside that, we will every month or so select 5 or more temporary non-admin members. Every so often, we would hold discussions and review and revise all current policies, and make new ones if needed. While if someone wants a new policy now, they usually hold a general vote, problem is though, nobody is proposing new ones or proposing changes. If we had set meeting to do so, then we would. Sorry I am writing this while im really tired so it may not be clear. Feel free to contact me if you have questions. --[[User:Seahorseruler|<span style='color:#1A2BBB'>'''Seahorseruler'''</span>]] [[File:USFlag.png|25px]] <sup>[[User talk:Seahorseruler|(Talk Page)]] [[Special:Contributions/Seahorseruler|(Contribs)]]</sup> 23:20, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Lately, our policies are kind of falling behind and are not really even being enforced (Such as the signature policy, voting policy, etc.), and some policies are completely obsolete but are still in place (such as the CPW and CPFW relations treaty). The reason policies are not being enforced well is mainly because our policies are all outdated policies which meet 2009 standards (when the majority of them were created).  


'''To summarize veto abilities:''' A b-crat voting no is not the same as a b-crat using veto. Crats usually if they simply disagree would vote no and be counted as a normal no vote as if it were from any user, however, if they feel the proposal will cause unstability or is extremely ridiculous, they may use veto which would fail the proposal.
I think we need to form a "Policy Making Council" which would hold discussions and review and revise all current policies every so often, and make new ones if needed. While if someone wants a new policy with our current system, they usually hold a general vote, problem is though, nobody is proposing new ones or proposing changes. If we had set meeting to do so, then we would.
 
As for membership to the council, It would work like this:
*Every so often we select 5 or more non-admins to the council. Their membership is temporary until the next selection of members.
*Administrators are permanent members as long as they stay an administrator. When they are demoted, they are removed from the council.
*B-Crats are also permanent in the same way admins are, however they have the ability to veto new proposals. If more than half of the b-crats vote no, then the proposal is automatically failed. Crats are granted this ability since they have been here for 2+ years and have the most experience, so they know what they are doing and what is best for the wiki.
 
 
Feel free to contact me if you have questions. --[[User:Seahorseruler|<span style='color:#1A2BBB'>'''Seahorseruler'''</span>]] [[File:USFlag.png|25px]] <sup>[[User talk:Seahorseruler|(Talk Page)]] [[Special:Contributions/Seahorseruler|(Contribs)]]</sup> 23:20, 21 October 2011 (UTC)


== Vote (+4) ==
== Vote (+4) ==

Revision as of 00:41, 22 October 2011

Lately, our policies are kind of falling behind and are not really even being enforced (Such as the signature policy, voting policy, etc.), and some policies are completely obsolete but are still in place (such as the CPW and CPFW relations treaty). The reason policies are not being enforced well is mainly because our policies are all outdated policies which meet 2009 standards (when the majority of them were created).

I think we need to form a "Policy Making Council" which would hold discussions and review and revise all current policies every so often, and make new ones if needed. While if someone wants a new policy with our current system, they usually hold a general vote, problem is though, nobody is proposing new ones or proposing changes. If we had set meeting to do so, then we would.

As for membership to the council, It would work like this:

  • Every so often we select 5 or more non-admins to the council. Their membership is temporary until the next selection of members.
  • Administrators are permanent members as long as they stay an administrator. When they are demoted, they are removed from the council.
  • B-Crats are also permanent in the same way admins are, however they have the ability to veto new proposals. If more than half of the b-crats vote no, then the proposal is automatically failed. Crats are granted this ability since they have been here for 2+ years and have the most experience, so they know what they are doing and what is best for the wiki.


Feel free to contact me if you have questions. --Seahorseruler (Talk Page) (Contribs) 23:20, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Vote (+4)

For (4)

  1. --Seahorseruler (Talk Page) (Contribs) 23:19, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
  2. --LordMaster96 23:40, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
  3. --ClubPenguinMaster • Talk 23:44, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
  4. --Skater Blue Cat 23:50, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
  5. I agree, but will the council replace staff? Or will both still exist? --Unknown4 Talk 23:54, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Against (0)

Comments

What's the "CPW and CPFW relations treaty"? --PenblooeR © 2011 23:26, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

It is, as I said, an obsolete outdated bill passed in 2009 sometime. Its still officially displayed but has no purpose. --Seahorseruler (Talk Page) (Contribs) 23:33, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
  • I like this. Looks more like a system of government. --LordMaster96 23:40, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Might as well change the rules to confirm with today's standards. --Skater Blue Cat 23:51, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I think that 2 of the 3 bureaucrats should vote "no" for a proposal to fail. Example: if 2 b-crats vote yes for something, but HP votes no, it automatically fails no matter what the community, admins or other b-crats think. Remember that people don't agree in everything. Everyone has different opinions. --PenblooeR © 2011 23:54, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

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