Club Penguin Wiki:Council

The Club Penguin Wiki Council is a council held by the Club Penguin Wiki administration that discusses issues and proposals about the wiki. It can be attended by all active users of the community, and is held on our IRC channel. Discussions in the Council usually result in the change of policy for the wiki. The council was created by Seahorseruler, who originally based it on a typical legislative body. Its current open format is based on IRC meetings from the Ratchet & Clank wiki and other wikis.

All council meetings are held on the #ClubPenguinWiki-Council channel.

Guidelines

All users are our invited to our council meetings. Bureaucrats hold a special additional ability, called veto. This is enforced whenever over half of all present bureaucrats vote against a proposal - and the proposal is automatically discarded.

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Agenda

Feel free to add topics here to discuss during the next IRC meeting.

#1 Duolingo (Operation Green Owl)

For those who do not know, Duolingo is a fast growing website and app that allows anyone to learn a foreign language for free. How does this apply to the Club Penguin Wiki? Well friends, simply put, Duolingo's main purpose is to teach a person a new language in order to translate articles on the web. Duolingo has been around already for several years, and has been doing extensive translating work, most notably on Wikipedia. Many of these articles can be uploaded by regular registered users of the Duolingo website.

User:TheBroMaster and I started Operation Green Owl, a test to see if and how well Duolingo would translate Club Penguin Wiki articles. Be mindful when I say Club Penguin Wiki, (Not Fanon, not Shops), since most articles related to Duolingo are educationally and factually based.

Now you may be wondering if the translations Duolingo makes are accurate. [Well, here's an article from the CPW that is currently on Duolingo.]

Let's evaluate this, shall we?

(As of February 2, 2014) This article is currently still undergoing translation. This article is being translated by NATIVE GERMAN SPEAKERS who are learning English. Not only do they translate the article, other German speakers have to check their work to make sure their translations are accurate. This system is a lot more trustworthy than Google Translate, where translations are computer generated and may not always be accurate. This translation method is FREE and a win-win situation. Not only do we get articles translated for free, we are offering foreigners the OPPORTUNITY to learn English on Duolingo.

I believe that this system is a perfect alternative (or possibly solution) to making separate language wikis.

What is my plan of action? Simple- we will have special dedicated users interested in learning a second (or third) language join Duolingo (if they haven't already) to upload Club Penguin Wiki articles to be translated into a foreign language. Currently, our English articles can be translated into German, French, Spanish, Portuguese (Brazilian), and Russian- satisfying all the languages that Club Penguin itself is available in. The CPW articles could also be translated into other language such as Italian, Dutch, Turkish, and Polish, though it's somewhat useless at this point.

My only problem is that I'm not sure what happens to the articles once they are done with translations. They don't disappear from the database, so the users that upload the CPW articles should be monitoring these articles that they upload periodically to see progress. Furthermore, some of the text boxes aren't always shown. Not sure why.

Currently, the only known articles translated are:

• Membership (Mitgliedshaft) (English --> German)

• Earth Day 2012 (Tag der Erde 2012) (English --> German)

Duolingo is also currently expanding it's languages at a rapid pace. Japanese, Chinese (simplified), Arabic, Korean, and Hindi to English will be available in a matter of months. Just in case anyone wants to translate articles into these languages too (though not recommended since they will be in Beta and isn't useful for this wiki genre). Anyone can join Duolingo and upload CPW articles to it's database (and no you don't have to translate it yourself, other people will.) Perhaps a translation log would be an efficient way to keep track of the articles translated.

Please leave me your comments below. This is an important step into the future. :)

--User:Swiss Ninja My Talk Page 04:45, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Comments

• Err, I suppose it's a good idea in theory, but I have a few questions. 1. So we have to move all of our articles to this site, where they stay forever? That may infringe on the copyright situation Seahorse has been trying to enforce wouldn't it? 2. The articles would be word-for-word copies of the English wiki (in another language). I see that as a problem because a lot of our articles need improvement, and even if we improve them in english the pages in other languages would remain barren until we actually get CPWN users from that language (who know something about CP). In addition, some of our item articles from the past few years also have some grammar errors due to them being written by Brazilian users, so how would those grammar mistakes fare getting screwed up even more with learners trying to translate them? 3. Where would all of these translated articles go? I understand that the articles would be available on duolingo, but would them be put on the network somewhere? Imo the only place we could put them is on separate wikis- because the separate language "areas" idea that fanon uses wouldn't really work on this wiki (It's highly english dominated, so it would be very hard to incorporate other languages into it I think). CK 06:24, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

• Yes, it does stay there, but wherever it will go is a mystery. All I know is that it will stay on Duolingo's website. The people who will be doing the translations will not be Wiki members, but random human beings who are native speakers of the target language trying to learn English.

Here is a video of how the whole process comes together:

<youtube>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyzJ2Qq9Abs</youtube>

Hope that helps

--User:Swiss Ninja My Talk Page 03:16, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• • Personally, I think relying on people who most likely have never even heard of Club Penguin and are only learning the language they're trying to translate from isn't a very good idea. Plus, like CK said, copyright issues and typos could cause an even bigger mess. -- Chill57181 Talk Contribs 19:58, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
• I think this is good, but it would take a lot of time! --Dalmation564 (talk) 22:00, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

(2) RocketSnail Games subwiki

The topic came up a long time ago to think about a RocketSnail Wiki. As I thought about it, I personally felt that it would be a cool addition to our network. Not only would it be more content, but it'd also be the first addition that isn't entirely based on CP (even though Rocketsnail was the base of CP from 2000-2005 at the very least). It has become apparent that if we can't even get more CP based wikis in other languages, that a RocketSnail Wiki is out of the question.

However, I still feel like some sort of database for RocketSnail Games would be very cool. So, I'm asking to have a sub-wiki created here (an example of a sub-wiki is Ideas). It could probably have it's own logo like the CPWN subwiki, as well as pages pertaining to all of RocketSnail's games other than the CP series, including Mancala Snails, Ballistic Biscuit before CP, and we could also move the Penguin Chat variants page over.

Note: Although there is currently a RocketSnail Wiki on wikia founded by our very own Metalmanager in 2009, the current adoptee Dps04 said he'd cooperate with us (I suppose that means abandoning it or something), making our subwiki the only known database centered around the company (which I personally think is cool). CK 01:05, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Comments

• If this were to happen, it'd also need it's own namespace such as Ideas has. Some suggestions may be Rocketsnail:/RocketSnail:/Rsnail:, RocketsnailGames:, or maybe even RSG:. Also if it happened, I think it would be nice to put it on the mainpage either in "Explore" near ideas or with the other wikis (shops, fanon, etc.). CK 01:05, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
• Wait, Didn't I think of this before? Cause this topic is speaking to me. Penstubal ^{(Talk) (Edits)} 21:31, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

(3) Mobile Theme

A good idea that would improve Club Penguin Wiki is adding a mobile theme, to make the access from mobile devices (such as smartphones) easier. MediaWiki has released an extension called "MobileFrontend", which is already used in Wikipedia. The add-on allows users to read and edit articles from a phone in a much better way than the one provided by the desktop theme. It improves the user experience, making the website load faster and in a more readable form. --Juca (discussão/talk) 21:27, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Past meeting summaries

#	Date	Information	Summary	Transcript
1	November 12, 2011	N/A	Read	Pastebin.com
2	February 19, 2012	N/A	Read	N/A
3	February 25, 2012	N/A	Read	Pastebin.com
4	June 2, 2012	N/A	Read	Pastebin.com
5	June 23, 2012	Read	Read	Pastebin.com
6	July 28, 2012	Read	Read	Pastebin.ca
7	September 15, 2012	Read	Read	Pastebin.com
8	November 10, 2012	Read	Read	Pastebin.ca
9	February 16, 2013	Read	Read	Pastebin.com
10	July 6, 2013	Read	Read	Pastebin.com
11	February 1, 2014	Read	Read	Pastebin.com