Club Penguin Wiki:Council/2015 Archive

Bring back the neutral section (+7)

Looking back on some of the reforms we have done over the years, there are many things I feel we should have done differently. In 2009, we eliminated the neutral section on votes in favor of only "For" or "Against".

After six years, I now feel that it was a mistake. By voting neutral, you are letting others know that you have read and are aware of the vote but have not yet made a decision. This could always be done with a comment but voting as neutral is simpler and easier to keep track of.

The only difference this time will be that unlike old style 2007-2009 RFAs, neutral votes won't count at all towards the outcome of the vote.

For (7)

1. --Seahorseruler ^{(Talk Page) (Contribs)} 23:27, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
2. --$harkbate ^{Talk Page} 23:28, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
3. --Hat Pop ^{Bunny Ears Rule!} 23:34, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
4. --LordMaster96 23:59, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
5. --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 15:01, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
6. Juca (discussão/talk) 17:13, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
7. Mrdave921 Talk Contribs 21:47, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Comments

• Honestly, it can't hurt. It would be easier to keep track of voting like you said. --Hat Pop ^{Bunny Ears Rule!} 23:34, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
• Preferred if only for major votes such as council topics/RFAs/demotion votes. Keep it out of the Penguin of the Month. Voting neutral there will just overcomplicate things. --LordMaster96 23:59, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Actually my next proposal will be reforming POTM. Rather than For/Against it will be more like an election. You can only vote for one person. If you feel that none of the candidates are qualified, you can vote for "No POTM this month" --Seahorseruler ^{(Talk Page) (Contribs)} 01:12, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
    • It's more like an approval voting system. --Refractor (talk) 20:30, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
• Sorry guys, I am NEUTRAL with this proposal. Too bad I can't vote for "Neutral" and instead have to leave a comment.
  --Perapin
  04:27, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
  • You're a funny guy. --LordMaster96 05:06, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
  • lol im neutral too C: Mario Rk ^{(T · C)} 19:53, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

ES Club Penguin Wiki Negotiations (+7)

So, last month I decided to research CP Wikias in foreign languages (as I've done before, though it was a while ago the last time I did it- just to check to see if any are active, that sort of thing. Well, as it turns out, we've been missing out on a huge opportunity to expand the network... the Spanish CPW is alive and well! Not only do they have 3,996 pages (possibly even 4k by the time some of you read this), they've had over 60 users edit since the beginning of May, and are up-to-date too, being decked-out for The Fair.

So, I asked Sea about it and he suggested I add it to the council. So, my suggestion (and this vote) is that we add this CPW to the network, by having our staff do as much negotiating as possible to convince them to move (the whole wiki) to the network. That way rather than our bad start with ES back in 2011, we are just adding a large, experienced community to the realm. The language barrier might pose a small problem, but I know at the very least, Swiss Ninja (from fanon) knows spanish thanks to Duolingo, so I think he could be the translator if need be (though I'd hope that at least one of 60+ users there can speak English also). So, the vote doesn't guarantee that they'll move (that depends on negotiations, and their community), but this is a decent start!

There's also two active ES Fanon wikis, and an up-to-date yet significantly smaller French CPW, but those can be saved until later on. CK 02:55, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

For (9)

1. CK 02:55, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
2. --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 22:21, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
3. --Aquamarina14 ^(Talk) 22:27, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
4. --User:Swiss Ninja My Talk Page 23:09, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
5. --LordMaster96 09:57, 23 May 2015(UTC)
6. File:Revenge.gif Mrdave921 #thefair2015 File:Smile spin.gif 17:54, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
7. -Wonderweez ^{(Talk · Contribs)} 02:26, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
8. {{SUBST:Template:Mecsig}} 06:46, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
9. I can use Bing Translator, fresh new start! --Dave33333 all hail To the epic king. 16:30, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Against (2)

1. --Seahorseruler ^{(Talk Page) (Contribs)} 03:02, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
2. --Hat Pop ^{Bunny Ears Rule!} 02:08, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Comments

• Read my statement above. CK 02:55, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
• Correction: I took Spanish in school and French, Dutch, and German on Duolingo. --User:Swiss Ninja My Talk Page 23:09, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
• More of a network and not a CPW issue. Maybe it doesn't belong on this page but I'll give my support for expansion regardless. --LordMaster96 09:57, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

• I agree, but we don't really have a CPWN council, this is the substitute for one as far as I know (since I think I suggested one a while ago anyways). Also, Sea suggested I add it here so I did :P CK 03:46, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

• I feel that we do not have the time or resources to complete such a large move. Besides the work of moving over all articles and images, we would have to deal with Wikia staff and the headaches that they will cause for us. --Seahorseruler ^{(Talk Page) (Contribs)} 03:02, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

• Well, I'm not sure about "resources" or the technical stuff, but I know as for time and importing, there are plenty of users on our network that'd be willing to help import pages (and items if there's not a way to do that automatically), myself included, not to mention their users. I don't think wikia would make too much of a grumble about it if we don't bring it to their attention, just kind of abandon it, have the es admins leave a message somewhere saying the wiki's moved, and maybe a link or two. I think the largest issue we might have is convincing the ES community to move (if our past experiences with En cpwiki are any indicator), though I think it'd be a little bit easier than EN CPWikia because we're moving their own site over, unlike just convincing users to move. CK 03:46, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

• Not attracting the attention of Wikia Staff would be very difficult. They are always on the lookout for discussions about leaving, especially when there isn't a large wave of wikis leaving at the same time. When we left, everyone else was also leaving over Oasis so they couldn't focus all of their energy on just us. --Seahorseruler ^{(Talk Page) (Contribs)} 06:00, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
• From economical standpoint: If we want to convince wikians we have to offer at least the same, or rather better conditions than wikia – the gain for them has to be greater than the “cost” of the exodus. That would mean blogs, wysisyg etc. and also something that wikia doesn’t have. —Lisured (会話) 12:43, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

• True, Our tech staff would have to start working on some things to match or even outdo wikia, like an oasis-style skin, a new blog system (even if it has to be custom written), wikia-style chat, etc. Mostly the stuff they were going to make in 2012 when discussing the EN wikia merge. CK 21:37, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

• If I find some time, I may work on some things to definitely make things easier to administrate. --Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 08:44, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

• Hablo español con fluidez, por lo que posiblemente puedo ayudar a manejar el wiki. "I speak Spanish fluently, so perhaps I can help manage the wiki." -Wonderweez ^{(Talk · Contribs)} 02:26, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
• To save money, we could just allow the Spanish speakers to make Spanish version of pages. --File:Belarus flag.jpgSlender Talk to me 17:08, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

• Uhhh there's nothing to do with money... CK 02:53, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

• Dave, please don't do that... It'd be for the Spanish users that already edit there and know fluent Spanish. Not English speakers using internet translators. CK 02:53, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
  • I've been using Google Translate to edit the Portuguese wiki. Should I not do that, either? --

File:Revenge.gif Mrdave921 #thefair2015 File:Smile spin.gif 00:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

• When I do oppose something, it is usually for a good reason. Some examples of things I have strongly opposed include Portals, Partners, Merging with Wikia, and "Departments" (blegh). Do you know what all of those things had in common? They all failed. We have tried a Spanish CPW in the past and it did not work out. I understand this time it is a little different, but it will still fail. People are naturally stubborn. Telling them they have to leave where they are comfortable by people they don't know does not work. Just think back to our failed merge with Wikia. The same thing will happen here. I know from experience. --Seahorseruler ^{(Talk Page) (Contribs)} 03:22, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
  • I'm afraid I side with Seahorse on this. All of our attempts to create other-language wikis have fallen through. If there were any viability in another language community, like the Spanish community on Wikia, it would've been created and bustling already. Not to mention, I think other-language communities have greater success when started and maintained by those who speak said language as their native tongue. --Hat Pop ^{Bunny Ears Rule!} 02:08, 2 June 2015 (UTC)