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As you all know, Tigernose has been less active lately. He doesn't do any tasks as an admin nor a bureaucrat too. I suggest to remove his rights, since it's already included in his staff rights. We will have votes for both his admins and bureaucrat rights, so feel free voting and commenting. --Wolfgangs (Talk) 07:19, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Remove Tigernose Admins Right (+1)

For (13)

  1. --Wolfgangs (Talk)
  2. --LordMaster96 07:22, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  3. --Ronnp09CP (Talk) 08:25, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  4. --Chill57181 Talk to me Master of the pencil Come to my party! 14:37, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  5. -- TheBroMaster Talk to me! 17:14, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  6. --PenBlooeR 01:38, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  7. Cp kid Wanna Talk? 02:41, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  8. --16:29, 2 December 2012 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brookelas (talk • contribs • edit count)
  9. --Nando144 20:18, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  10. --Ben 100022
  11. --Proud to be Estonian! $ṇỗẘ$ŧᴼՐṃȩř <-- This signature has an error with encoding. 01:43, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  12. As I've said many times before, including on that Leader Inactivity forum - I no longer hold interest in being regularly moderating this website. Although I was never initially going to resign myself, it's better get this all over and done with now. Here's my reasons. --Tigernose Talk • Contribs 22:50, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  13. Mario Rk (Talk!|Blog) 15:34, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Against (12)

  1. Strongly Oppose - Demoting Tigernose will not benefit us in any way. Tigernose simply can't be replaced, so we can not afford to demote him right now. --Seahorseruler (Talk Page) (Contribs) 07:37, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  2. Adminship is about more than just whether they use their rights or not! It's like saying a president who doesn't enforce change is bad; if he leads you through a war unscathed, then he is a tireless, worthy leader. --Will k(Talk) 09:36, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  3. Strong oppse per Seahorseruler --Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 00:27, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  4. what they said --refractor till my head falls off<staff />
  5. What refractor said, which is what tux said, which is what sea said.--Ced1214
  6. The kid BROKE HIS WRIST and his computer. Why punish him for HAVING A LIFE and HAVING AN AILMENT? HE CAN'T HELP IT YOU INGRATES. My mother has a fever. If I ran off to tend to her, would you have demoted me? I've even made peace with him. Don't turn your back on him. I was told that Lord Master wants to take over by filling his spot. Seahorse thinks he's going to get him next. -and people: it's almost Christmas. Give the kid a break... ---{{subst:Template:TSSIGNATURE/PERMA-TS}} {{subst:template:TSSIGNATURE}} 01:24, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

  7. What they said --Unknown4|Talk 02:56, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  8. As a note, this is little more than a petition. Both the Staff and the Bureaucrats can veto.--Network staffJohn (talk|blog|contribs) 22:22, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  9. -1998drpepper Freeze your friends! 07:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  10. Based on what TS said, I'm voting against. We should probably give him till February before we demote him. --A7XRev IZZA BULL
  11. -I kinda agree with all those guys up here. --Welcome00 Talk 11:40, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
  12. -By Quackerpingu- 06 12 2012: Dont do it before his account gets hacked.

Comments

  • I don't see why he is of use when it comes to policy violations, dealing with vandals, etc. I mean, he's a nice guy but the activity level is too low right now. --LordMaster96 07:22, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  • [09:10] HatPop I gotta ask in response to Seahorse's comment: I know Tigernose might pay for the server or something, but honestly, what else does he do that makes him so valuable?

[09:11] HatPop He was once great and powerful
[09:11] HatPop And I know that
[09:11] HatPop But now he hardly does a thing around here...
[09:12] HatPop And he himself even admitted he's busy with other wikis and barely knows things like MediaWiki anymore
[09:14] HatPop Demoting him might not benefit us, but it won't hurt us either.
That's my honest opinion on this. Tigernose is a great person and leader, but we need to decide what's best for the wiki in this current time. I have absolutely nothing against you, friend. :) --Hat Pop Bunny Ears Rule! 14:26, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

  • He's never here anyways. What difference is there between if him having no rights and is never here and him having rights but is never here? The effects as a result of the demotion would be nothing or very minimal. I mean, we went months without him. It doesn't take admin or bureaucrat rights to be a good team leader, as I'm proving right now. He's even said himself, "Although I am not going to personally resign myself, I feel my lack of involvement does not deserve me any rights at the moment.". --LordMaster96 20:16, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  • TN is a great guy, he's not a lot but we don't have a suitable replacement; besides, he's a great admin when he's on and the only Armenian I know. --refractor till my head falls off<staff />
00:31, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Inactivity should NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVET be a reason to demote someone. Some people aren't me. SOME PEOPLE HAVE LIVES. --{{subst:Template:TSSIGNATURE/PERMA-TS}} {{subst:template:TSSIGNATURE}} 01:20, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Suddenly everyone pops out of nowhere and votes? Refractor? --PenBlooeR 01:38, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  • I agree that TN's a great person. But, he never edits the wiki, so why not leave his spot open for when a good replacement comes along? Also, since he's keeping his staff powers what does this even matter? (He would still have MORE than admin/b-crat powers since he's Staff, so he could still be an unofficial admin here when he becomes more active again.) Cp kid Wanna Talk? 02:41, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  • I have noticed that TS has been blaming LordMaster96 for these votes. To make it very much clear, it's me who started the votes and LordMaster96 didn't take any major role in it. The reason I started the vote is because Tigernose doesn't even know what are the current wiki problems, nor interfere much with the community compared to the past. We didn't demand to remove his staff rights, since this is not CPW business. I think that a new bureaucrat must take his place, it can be Nando144, Reeze, CPMaster or anyone else. Tigernose will remain a staff and TurtleShroom, why are you blaming LordMaster and claiming he wants to be a staff again. LordMaster96 can be a staff again, without any such problems. To the users who think that demoting Tigernose will have an effect, I want to make my point clear he currently doesn't have any major role with what's happening, so demoting him won't harm us! Tigernose is not a leader over here that he must remain an admin and bureaucrat for us to survive. He is a great person, but it's about time for many major changes to occur. And, I heard few users say that we hate them because they oppose demoting him, I will reply to them saying that we won't and you have the rights to vote whether For/Against. Also, many past users appeared voting against for Tigernose like Tux, Refractor, TurtleShroom and even Unknown to vote against, why did they appear so sudden? Why didn't take part in any other votes? The reason they voted against is because Tigernose is a great friend of them, while they didn't even consider what was the reason of these votes, the reason is inactivity and less role in the wiki! If it was any other user like Reeze or Nando144 or even me, you guys won't interfere the reason is, you don't really care about us, but when it comes to users like Seahorse or Tigernose, you guys would mess up things and destroy the community aims, while you guys are not even part of our community anymore! Why is Seahorse and Tigernose so important? Why they must stay Bureaucrats even if we didn't want to? Why do you guys think that no one can replace them? Are the users here not capable? If the staff don't give the community a chance, I assume democracy is no more found in our wiki. Well, all have the rights to vote and Seahorse strongly opposing without a good reason, means you want him to remain is because he's your friend and through him you can veto against any project or plans in the wiki (it's what I heard from number of users). I'm sorry if I was mean or rude to anyone, but I just said what I'm noticing. --Wolfgangs (Talk) 16:00, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
    • Yeah. The only reason Sea wants TN to keep office is so he can have a veto partner and keep the SENSIBLE bcrat (HP) in the dark. -- TheBroMaster Talk to me! 17:26, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  • I have to agree. I mean, why cut him the slack? If he is inactive, why does he NEED HIS POWERS? -- Brookelas Mastered the EL EM ENTS! 16:29, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  • It's not like he will be demoted entirely; he will still be a staff member. So, technically, he will still have the rights in question. This would allow someone more active on just the CPW to take his spot and have Tigernose keep admin/bureaucrat. Fair? --Hat Pop Bunny Ears Rule! 22:30, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
    • Completely fair. I don't know how anyone could argue with this. -ShrimpPin 03:13, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
  • I know TN has been inactive for a while, so give him a chance. Maybe wait till next January then we demote him. --Welcome00 Talk 11:40, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
    • We've given him enough time already, and it's not like we're gonna die if we don't have him. Also, as HP already said, he's still gonna be a staff, and if he doesn't even have interest in moderating the wiki anymore, so why should he keep those rights? --PenBlooeR 13:48, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Okay, I agree, TN is a good member of the wiki and a good leader and all. But seriously, he's so very inactive and he even wants to be demoted. I don't get why Sea doesn't want him to be demoted when he himself wants to. I'm pretty sure Sea will close the vote right at the moment when there are more against than for. :| --Proud to be Estonian! $ṇỗẘ$ŧᴼՐṃȩř <-- This signature has an error with encoding. 17:08, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
    • I wouldn't be surprised. -- TheBroMaster Talk to me! 17:23, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Remove Tigernose Bureaucrats Right (+4)

For (12)

  1. --Wolfgangs (Talk)
  2. --LordMaster96 07:22, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  3. --Ronnp09CP (Talk) 08:26, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  4. --Proud to be Estonian! Snowstormer Here's a random message for you to enjoy! 08:30, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  5. --Chill57181 Talk to me Master of the pencil Come to my party! 14:37, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  6. -- TheBroMaster Talk to me! 17:14, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  7. --ShrimpPin 01:14, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  8. --PenBlooeR 01:38, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  9. Look at my comment from admin part. Cp kid Wanna Talk? 02:41, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  10. -- Brookelas Mastered the EL EM ENTS! 16:29, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  11. --Nando144 20:17, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  12. --Ben 100022

Against (8)

  1. Strongly Oppose - Demoting Tigernose will not benefit us in any way. Tigernose simply can't be replaced, so we can not afford to demote him right now. --Seahorseruler (Talk Page) (Contribs) 07:37, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  2. Same as my above comment. --Will k(Talk) 09:36, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  3. Strong oppose per Seahorse --Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 00:28, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  4. what they said --refractor till my head falls off<staff /> 00:30, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  5. The kid BROKE HIS WRIST and his computer. Why punish him for HAVING A LIFE and HAVING AN AILMENT? HE CAN'T HELP IT YOU INGRATES. My mother has a fever. If I ran off to tend to her, would you have demoted me? I've even made peace with him. Don't turn your back on him. I was told that Lord Master wants to take over by filling his spot. Seahorse thinks he's going to get him next. -and people: it's almost Christmas. Give the kid a break... ---{{subst:Template:TSSIGNATURE/PERMA-TS}} {{subst:template:TSSIGNATURE}} 01:24, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

  6. What they said. --Unknown4|Talk 02:59, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  7. As a note, this is little more than a petition. Both the Staff and the Bureaucrats can veto.--Network staffJohn (talk|blog|contribs) 22:22, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  8. -1998drpepper Freeze your friends! 07:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Comments

  • Poor activity means poor leadership. That's primarily the difference between bureaucrat and admin apart from being able to promote. --LordMaster96 07:22, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Tigernose is a very nice user and has done a lot for this wiki, but being away for three months? Come on now. I understand he's had some issues, but I've been through this exact thing. I was demoted for being gone for two and a half months in 2011 (I looked at my contributions during the time) because of issues I was having, so why does it change for him? Yes he's the co-"director" of the wiki, but that doesn't give him the right to be away for a long time. He's only reachable through PSN with Sea for most of the time for certain decisions, which still isn't acceptable. Yes, he comes on IRC sometimes, but he idles for most of the time then leaves. I'll think about my decision, but I'm starting to think a demotion might be our only option at this point. --$harkbate Talk Page 20:05, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  • I agree with both things said above me. -ShrimpPin 01:16, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
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